#office-hours - April 2019

thanks for the heads up

actually, I should update it now to announce to #announcements

Yeah, no conference rooms available

I dislike open offices~

ah bummer

any questions I can monologue to you? 😃

Yeah, I pitched the idea of hiring y'all to help bootstrap a bunch of projects we don't have time for

Could you explain how you might go through getting started with us and basic costs

I can hear, just can't talk

Yeah, we need line cooks

Yeah, I like the aws account arch + kubernetes + release engineering + all that

I built out our roadmap long before I found y'all, and they almost exactly match

kubecost sounds awesome

I hadn't worked out the details on a lot of stuff, just the general arch

we're moving towards a services architecture

When you say 8 sprints, is that 8 weeks?

ah, okay, so 16 weeks

Right now we have a bunch of legacy crap, about 8 or so services, that need a bunch of code work to split up

and has a data monolith behind the app/code monolith

and we have about 6 new services

that are all containered / 12factor etc.

You can thank me for that

I pushed hard lol

Then on top of that, we have another company we bought that i need to fold in to this at some point

so you basically have a prod / preprod / unlimited-staging environments clusters?

okay, so, 2 there, plus shared

got it

yeah, 100%

my concern there with unlimited staging though is, then that differs from prod

i don't quite understand the technical way to set that up, but i love the idea

yeah, mock sqs, eg.

so with unlimited staging, are you still mocking stuff like SQS?

Yeah, slick

So, how would you approach a customer who has an existing production environment?

Would you use that as your root account, and build org out from there?

Yeah, I was looking at doing that completely fresh thing, but the logistics of migrating 8ish years of data boggled my mind

DMS doesn't work for us, we tried =(

It doesn't support some postgres features we use

That it is not 😃 But downtime is frowned upon

I'm pushing separate down to RDS, all new services are working that way

But, maybe I can make a case for it yet. I'm trying, we just don't have enough dudes to do the work

I don't disagree

I understand the value add

I briefly looked at it

I guess lastly, how do you approach helping a dev team learn and adopt new ways to develop services? We've got a lot of old school dudes who are still using vagrant boxes and stuff

doggo stream!

Grats!

Nicely done @oscarsullivan_old 😃

I have to tap out. Thanks for the time @Erik Osterman (Cloud Posse); enlightening as always. I'm excited to see updates to the ref archs. Hopefully I can dedicate time to geodesic and getting my stuff off the ground here soon 😃 Or talk someone in to spending more money

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I tuned in late, are these office hours recorded by zoom where I could rewatch it later?

Thanks all, especially @Erik Osterman (Cloud Posse) for hosting and @oscarsullivan_old for the demo

Sad I couldn't join in at the beginning, sprint planning ran long

Thanks so much for the time it was very helpful!

big thanks for that! lot of stuff I can discuss with the team & hopefully get using the newer Geodesic versions (we're using a ver older than my PR T_T)

I think the confusion I have in adopting it is what goes in Dockerfile vs what might go in an .envrc and what/how do i split up my terraform in to digestable chunks. I haven't really dug in in earnest yet, though. It keeps getting bumped in sprint planning and I haven't had time to just get started outside work hours

Yeah, but what is local to you - a specific app/service? a whole environment inside an account?

Yeah, my issue is, what does that terraform project represent? looks like to you it means a service? Jenkins in that example

Yeah, that's what I'm trying to avoid 😃

As much as I'd love to be able to go "aws, give me a new account, run terraform on it, hey look my new environment is done" I'm not sure that's as useful as it sounds.

I mean, I'm working my boss, I'm hoping I can just hire Erik and the team to jumpstart the whole process, this becomes a moot-ish point that I don't have to decide alone 😃

haha thanks @Alex Siegman 😃

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